Four Excellent Ideas on Education, but How Do We Make Them Happen?
The requirement for innovation in order to drive U.S. economic growth – and the tensions this creates – is something I believe is central to our political debates in ways that are not always well-articulated.
Grover J. Whitehurst has authored a Brookings piece on the requirement for innovation in the education sector, and the barriers to the needed reforms. In it, he makes four excellent recommendations:
1. Choose K–12 curriculum based on evidence of effectiveness.
2. Evaluate teachers in ways that meaningfully differentiate levels of performance.
3. Accredit online education providers so they can compete with traditional schools across district and state lines.
4. Provide the public with information that will allow comparison of the labor market outcomes and price of individual postsecondary degree and certificate programs.
Items 3 and 4 read like elements of a nearly libertarian manifesto. (Item 1 reads as motherhood and apple pie, unless you know the background, which is that Whitehurst, while Director of the Institute for Education Sciences inside the U.S. Department of Education, pushed hard and somewhat successfully for a sustainable commitment to rigorous program evaluation anchored by randomized experiments.)
Here is his opening paragraph on the barriers to reform:
Our present education system is structured in a way that discourages the innovation necessary for the United States to regain education leadership. K-12 education is delivered largely through a highly regulated public monopoly. Outputs such as high school graduation rates and student performance on standardized assessments are carefully measured and publicly available, but mechanisms that would allow these outputs to drive innovation and reform are missing or blocked. For example, many large urban districts and some states are now able to measure the effectiveness of individual teachers by assessing the annual academic growth of students in their classes. Huge differences in teacher effectiveness are evident, but collective bargaining agreements or state laws prevent most school district administrators from using that information in tenure or salary decisions.
It is striking how far thoughtful, mainstream liberal wonk opinion has moved on the question of educational reform. What’s unclear in the paper (though beyond its scope) is a political theory for how the interest groups who have a huge interest in preventing these reforms can be overcome. Whitehurst proposes some specific federal laws and guidelines, but doesn’t explain how to get a sufficient number of legislators to vote for these. It would be very difficult for Democrats to pass such laws, for obvious reasons.
When one side of the political divide loses even its own ideological belief in a specific position, and is defending it based purely on interest group power, this often creates an opportunity for real change. It seems to me that education reform is ripening as political issue for Republicans, if they are willing to seize it, in the way that welfare reform did 20 years ago. Like welfare reform, this would probably imply being willing to both engage on the policy detail, and to work with Democrats in order to create a bipartisan solution with staying power. It looks to me like there is lots of common ground to be found.
I’m cool with #s 1, 2, and 4, but no, no, a thousand times NO to #3. Local control is one of the few remaining bright spots in K-12 education. Trading a state-level educational monopoly for a national educational oligopoly (which would be the inevitable outcome) is not progress.
— JS Bangs · Jun 7, 12:55 PM · #
I am also really leery of online education becoming a norm of American life. As a university instructor for the past 6 years, I have seen a dramatic decline in my students’ ability to think deeply and in a sustained manner on any subject. They literally seem to be in pain when asked to read anything longer than a blog post, so the idea of assigning them a novel or complex article has become almost laughable.
While I totally agree that many of our high schools are not preparing kids for college, I do not think that the answer is to make learning a process that is totally centered around the student. Part of the point of school is learning to negotiate with other people and institutions. In other words, school is supposed to be hard, frustrating, and boring at times because life is hard, frustrating, and boring at times. If school were simply about implanting information into peoples’ brains, online education would make sense. However, school is supposed to make you a smarter, savvier person. If you think this generation is rather “ME” centric now, just wait until you take them out of the classroom, a place where they are at least told to wait their turn, respect others, and that it’s not always about them.
— Dan · Jun 7, 02:12 PM · #
#2 seems to be a pretty paltry response to what I think is the most pressing duality in education reform: on the one side, the inability of school systems to dismiss ineffective teachers, and on the other, the requirement that teachers resign themselves to making substantially less than almost any other profession that requires a college degree.
At some point, someone’s going to have to break through the double barriers that keep this situation in place with some kind of compromise. My preferred one would be something akin to the military’s “up or out” policy. Work on four year contracts. At the end of that time, you either get a promotion and a raise, or you’re pushed into retirement. After 20 years of service, you get a full retirement package, but if you’re good enough to stick around, a teacher that makes it through six or seven promotions should be making $70k+ in today’s dollars. Being released before then should not be seen as termination with cause, but simply that you’re not deserving of the next promotion, so it’s time to move on.
— Michael Bacon · Jun 7, 02:40 PM · #
The myth that teachers aren’t compensated fairly needs to die. Teachers make enough to be firmly in the middle class. Plus the benefits, are almost universally better than anything in the private sector. The teacher pay issue is a union ploy that keeps pay raises a permanent fixture of municipal budgeting.
— BrianF · Jun 7, 03:08 PM · #
“What’s unclear in the paper (though beyond its scope) is a political theory for how the interest groups who have a huge interest in preventing these reforms can be overcome.”
Before he left SEIU, Andy Stern created “industry councils,” with the idea of making union chapters less concerned about their immediate state of compensation and more worried about the health of their industries as a whole. They’re too new to pass any kind of positive or negative judgment, but I think they’re an honest attempt to push past the myopia that union memberships are prone to.
— Erik Vanderhoff · Jun 7, 03:26 PM · #
The problem with online technology is that it is still at a fairly primitive level of development. It needs to deliver a richer experience before it is really ready for full-time educational use.
This video gives an idea of modern teleconferencing technology (3 mins) It’s worth watching the whole video in full screen mode.
When you combine this with archives of lectures, educational videos etc. I think there is a lot that online technology can contribute to education in the future.
The next step could even be fully-immersive technologies.
— Keid A · Jun 7, 03:39 PM · #
Jim,
There are thousands of school districts across the country. Has any one district (not school, but multi-school district) yet proven that “#2. Evaluate teachers in ways that meaningfully differentiate levels of performance” actually works?
I’ve been advocating “value added” evaluations of schools and teachers since the 1990s, and now that idea has finally become fashionable. But, as my kids go farther through the educational system and I actually learn more first hand about how complicated measuring school performance is, the more worried I become that my old ideas are becoming the new national dogma without actually having been first proven in local tests.
— Steve Sailer · Jun 7, 04:37 PM · #
The whole union-busting thing is a huge canard. About 40% of schools in America currently do not have closed-shop unions or tenure. And the rate of teacher turnover in these schools is the same as in union schools, while educational attainment in these schools is clearly lower. The problem is pay. You can’t get enough good applicants to fill all of the needed teaching positions paying $27k for college grads (starting salary here in Texas in most school districts).
— Scooby Dude · Jun 7, 04:43 PM · #
Has anybody run a multiple regression on NAEP test scores by union and nonunion states? I wouldn’t be surprised if the nonunion states had a small advantage: Texas outscores California for all three ethnic groups. But I don’t know about other states.
Even if Texas v. California represents the nonunion v. union situation nationally, it’s not anywhere near as big a difference as the racial gaps, which is what all of the hullaballoo is supposedly about: “If only we can get rid of those evil teachers who are holding non-Asian minorities back, we can Close the Gap!”
— Steve Sailer · Jun 7, 04:59 PM · #
Another advantage of digital technology is it facilitates the downloading of textbooks and other course materials onto e-book readers.
E-books are much lighter and portable, they permit the use of interactive course material, embedded video, search, annotation and note-taking. Linking to online resources including lectures.
— Keid A · Jun 7, 05:06 PM · #
BrianF: Do tell that to all of my friends who have left teaching to take higher paying jobs. Teaching salaries may put them in the middle class, but for a population that almost universally has college degrees and many have post-graduate degrees, teachers takes a substantial hit their lifetime earning potential by entering the profession vs. other opportunities. It should go without saying that we want teachers to be educated at an above average level. They should be paid like that too.
I’m not saying starting salaries have to be enormous. But the lifetime earning potential has to be there if we want good teachers to stay and not leave for better opportunities in the private sector, leaving behind only the ones that either can’t find higher paying work or those who can and will forgo the money out of a sense of duty and love for the job. As wonderful as the latter group is, there’s not enough of them to fill the all the jobs.
— Michael Bacon · Jun 7, 06:09 PM · #
Re ebooks: I would be very cautious about setting a new de fact standard of ebooks with their links, video and other disractions. While I realize hyperlinks and video have pluses, recent reports by persons using ebooks warn of how distracting they are. In particular, these reports from ebook users warn that short attention spans are already a big problem and having a static book that one can focus on and get involved in is critical to teaching students to concentrate on an idea or story without extraneous inputs. Sometimes less is more. Always dealing with issues of any complexity requires patience and time to focus on it. Hyperlinks detract from that. Also, importantly, pictures and video — unless perhaps on science issues — impairs imagination. I believe children should be read to when very young so their own imagination is stimulated and nurtrued rather than watching TV or movies or video where someone else’s vision is provided in place of space for the child to imagine their own images, colors, background, actions, etc.
— Nusn · Jun 7, 06:12 PM · #
Michael Bacon, the problem with your idea is that being a teacher requires years to develop a skillset that doesn’t translate to very many private-sector jobs. So a teacher spends 4-6 years in college getting a bachelor’s degree and teaching credentials (possibly a master’s degree) and then after 12 years of competent (if maybe not superlative) teaching, gets booted for not being “promotable?”
You’re left with someone in their mid-to-late 30s who has a degree in secondary education… and he’s going to do what, exactly? “Time to move on” to flipping burgers at McDonalds?
The military does “up or out” promotions because there’s obviously a need for fewer and fewer officers as the rank increases — 100 second lieutenants might need one general. That’s not true of teachers.
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Jun 7, 06:23 PM · #
Note that my comments shouldn’t be taken to mean that perhaps teachers should have recurring evaluations of their ability. Rather, I don’t think the “up or out” analogy translates over. It should be “Are you doing an acceptably good job of teaching? OK, then you keep your job.” Not “Are you among the top 50 percent of teachers? No? You’re fired.”
The problem, as ever, is defining a metric for “acceptably good.”
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Jun 7, 06:27 PM · #
“shouldn’t” sted “should.”
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Jun 7, 06:28 PM · #
My problem with 1 and 2 is they are meaningless without details.
How can one “Choose K–12 curriculum based on evidence of effectiveness” when no one can agree with effectiveness means?
The same is true of item 2, “Evaluate teachers in ways that meaningfully differentiate levels of performance.” How? What is a meaningful differentiation of teacher performance?
— Saanvik · Jun 7, 06:51 PM · #
Michael,
Teachers make up for lower salaries by having a pretty awesome retirement package. It’s a trade off, but the sort of defined benefit plans most teachers have access to are way more generous in the private sector.— BrianF · Jun 7, 06:54 PM · #
“Choose K–12 curriculum based on evidence of effectiveness”
I’ve been following education statistics since 1972 the ways other guys follow baseball statistics. Yet, I haven’t seen all that much persistent evidence of greater effectiveness at the district wide level, other than bringing in better students. Sure, schools can screw up, as many did in the 1970s under the influence of 1960s ideas, but increasing performance is, at best, a long hard slog.
The racial gaps, which is what everybody talks about, have barely changed since 1972 in any school district in the country.
— Steve Sailer · Jun 7, 07:41 PM · #
How much of the current elite frenzy over the supposed failures of teachers stems from unspoken elite guilt over 40 years of open door immigration policy? “Uh, oh, we’ve now got 50 million Hispanics, and, on average, they aren’t climbing the ladder like the Ellis Island immigrants did. They’re just kind of sitting there, generation after generation, at the prole level. We’ve made California, which was the shining star of the 50 states, a disaster area. Quick, find somebody else to blame! Like … uh … teachers! Yeah, Latino lack of achievement is the fault of the teachers! That will distract the voters!”
— Steve Sailer · Jun 7, 07:46 PM · #
I was under the impression that California (despite its ridiculously broken state government) is still a dynamic economic leader, with a high-tech industry that’s the envy of anywhere else in the country.
Or are Apple and Google getting ready to move to North Dakota to escape the evil Latino horde?
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Jun 7, 08:34 PM · #
Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful comments.
A couple of general points:
1. Online education is not a cure-all, but as always, the question in any particular case is “compared to what?”. Consider that homeschooling is an enormous social movement in America – something like 1.5 million kids are currently being homeschooled. It’s not for everybody, but many of them appear to be doing very well compared to how they would be expected to do in the actual schools that they would otherwise attend. Think of online education technology as, in part, a way to make homeschooling much better. It might also, in part, be enrichment for children spend time in buildings marked “school” on the front, and so on.
Organizational forms in a given era tend to be invented in the pioneering industries of that era, and then propagate to other sectors. Innovative education in the future will likely look a lot more like Silicon Valley than the Detroit assembly line model it now follows. That is, decentralized, entrepreneurial and flexible. This is not to imagine some utopia – kids from screwed up homes will still have very high odds of being ill-educated, memorizing multiplication tables will likely still be a good idea for young kids, one great teacher with a chalkboard will still be better than all the computers in the world, etc. But it could still be a system that works better than what we have now. Accrediting online education could be part of that.
2. Evaluating the actual performance of teachers is hard; and evaluating it perfectly accurately is impossible. But this is true for every activity undertaken by any human being in any organization. Nonetheless, almost every successful mass organization from businesses to the military to sports teams still views evaluation of the performance of its members according to the best available method of measuring impact toward some desired group goal as superior to simply giving up on the task. It’s impossible for me to imagine teachers as some unique exception to this reality.
Steve, as usual, excellent questions.
As I go into in my upcoming book, I believe “proven” in this context means “has been shown in replicated, randomized assignment trials to have a statistically significant impact”. By that standard, I believe this has never been proven. In the absence of such evidence, I think we ought to rely on the organizational common sense I go into in point 2 above.
I would be shocked of this has never been done, but as I also go into in my book, I think such regression analyses in this context are worse than useless in establishing a cause-and-effect relationship. There are random-assignment lotteries which have shown that non-unionized “schools of choice” (basically charter schools) cause material gains in test scores versus regular public schools, but that unionized “schools of choice” (basically magnet schools) do not in Boston and a short list of other cities.
By my definition of “proven”, very few curricular, teacher education, school organization or any other interventions have ever been proven to create any improvement. To once again cite my yet-to-published book, almost no programs can be shown to work, and those few that do create marginal improvements.
— Jim Manzi · Jun 7, 10:58 PM · #
Totally OT,
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— Keid A · Jun 7, 11:18 PM · #
There are all kinds of research-based best practices that don’t make it into the classroom. It’s a similar situation as with doctors. I am talking about specific techinques, strategies, curriculum, not whole school programs.
— cw · Jun 8, 01:10 AM · #
I think Facebook is not such a good example of an educational environment. Something like Second Life might be a better example of a virtual online space that could easily include classrooms and other meeting places.
Or if you remember the episode in GitS SAC (Episode 9 The Man Who Dwells in the Shadows of the Net) where Motoko Kusanagi meets up with the other participants in a virtual chatroom via avatars.
— Keid A · Jun 8, 09:13 AM · #
If anyone isn’t familiar with Second Life, this intro video gives you an idea of its rich virtual worlds.
I’m just using SL as a reference starting point. Virtual environments that were purpose-designed for education could be very ingenious. Think holodeck.
You could learn your Egyptian History in a virtual Ancient Egypt. (Requires Quicktime)
— Keid A · Jun 8, 09:56 AM · #
Travis Mason-Bushman: As the saying goes, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data,” but most of my friends who left teaching jobs landed on their feet. Teachers are usually well educated, well spoken, literate people who have lots of experience speaking in front of groups. This translates well to communications, corporate training, sales, management, and administration. On the other hand, for teachers that are not well educated, well spoke, literate people, do we really want to keep them in teaching? Should teaching be a catch-all for anyone who can’t do anything else?
Again, I’m drawing an explicit parallel to the US military. Soldiers that don’t make promotion are given honorable discharges, and have to go find work in the private sector, even if their only experience has been in running supply lines in the Army’s byzantine bureaucracy. Still, former military folks with honorable discharges are generally well regarded by the private sector, even those without specific skills. I would think the same would be true for a teaching program.
BrianF: Retirement packages vary greatly from state to state and, to a lesser extent, from district to district. But again, you don’t have to take my word for it — the market is speaking for me. Teachers continue to leave the profession in large numbers for private sector jobs, and if we weren’t in such bad fiscal straits right now, we’d still be facing a substantial teacher shortage in many states. If the retirement package is so great, why do these teachers keep leaving their jobs?
— Michael Bacon · Jun 8, 10:16 AM · #
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— Keid A · Jun 8, 11:11 AM · #
Jim,
Thanks.
The average quality of math educational software programs is low, especially in the school (rather than home) end of the business. This is not to say that there aren’t good ones out there, just that they are hard to find amidst all the junk. The school business is driven by fads and delusions.
It’s noteworthy that the biggest private sector success story in math education in the last couple of decades has probably been Kumon, which is low tech paper and pencil drilling.
Software should be able to do it better. A computer ought to be able to figure out why a kid is making the same mistakes over and over, point out what he’s doing wrong, and adjust the problems. One-on-one tutoring really does work, but computers should be able to be 80% as good as human one-on-one tutors.
— Steve Sailer · Jun 8, 12:09 PM · #
Michael:
But you’re ignoring the huge dissimilarities between the two groups you’re ostensibly comparing.
“Up or out” works in the military because you don’t need as many 20-year lieutenant colonels as you need 2-year second lieutenants. That analogy simply doesn’t hold true for teaching. In fact, all other things being equal, we’d rather have the 20-year teachers, because experience makes for better teachers.
Again, a better analogy than the military is a field like engineering. It requires additional training beyond the standard 4-year baccalaureate (usually an extra year) and you have to take a test at the end proving your fitness for the job. But we don’t tell engineers “Well, you were only the third-best out of five engineers we hired four years ago, you’re fired.” If you’re competent on the job, you keep it. If you don’t do a good job, you’re let go.
Nobody’s going to get a degree in elementary education if they know that unless they’re in the “top 50 percent” of their cohort (based on what measurement?) they’ll be fired in 4 years.
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Jun 8, 01:42 PM · #
Addendum:
Another huge difference. In the military, all that training is paid for by the government. Teachers have to pay for their own education.
So if you join the military and only get 8 years in before they decide “No, you’re not a good fit for the next level,” you’ve lost nothing. In fact, given levels of bonuses, etc. for the military, you’ve still gained significantly.
If you become a teacher and only get 8 years before you’re weeded out, you’re left with piles of student loans to pay off for an educational program you’re now told you can’t use in your career.
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Jun 8, 01:50 PM · #