Closeted Christians?
Via Leiter, this quasi-liveblog of a public showdown between Alvin Plantinga and Daniel Dennett is fascinating, and will make for a gripping read for anyone interested in philosophy, religion, the philosophy of religion, or the sociology of any of the above. Sadly, however, and notwithstanding the fact that Dennett is one of my very favorite philosophers, I have to say that I don’t find this part of the account especially hard to believe (though note that the transcriber makes no pretense at detachment):
3:29 pm – Sure, the intelligent theist can keep going on believing. He calls theistic belief a fairy tale. Now he’s getting explicitly insulting. He thinks theistic belief can corrupt our common epistemological fabric and involve theism into politics. He shows a slide mocking the eschatological views of Christians. He calls theism an unrespectable position, and compares it to astrology. He says it is irrational and doesn’t deserve respect. He gets laughs. He doesn’t look good to the theists. Once he got nasty, a cold pall covered the room. He compares theism to holocaust deniers and things have gone off the rails. This is outrageous. All Plantinga must do to beat Dennett now is to reply with grace. For Plantingian dry wit, this is easy.
3:32 pm – “Is Plantinga’s theism in any better position than these other fantasies?” He’s going to create a Plantinga-guided natural selection. It is hard to explain, but the argument basically mocks Plantinga. I am incensed. The response is a long string of insults, and little more. This is pathetic. I had more faith in Dennett. He is just making the Flying Spaghetti Monster argument and getting laughs from real, intolerant jerks. It is going on and on. Sigh. I wanted this to be interesting! Dennett does not understand what a disservice he does his cause by not taking his smartest opponents seriously. He will lose thoughtful acolytes as a result.
I should add that I know first-hand that arguing with Al Plantinga can be an exasperating affair: that legendary “Plantingian wit” can be charming, to be sure, but it can also make him seem quite unserious and impervious to the force of competing views. But surely Dennett knows that that is just an illusion! Plantinga is a very serious thinker, about philosophical and theological matters alike; and in any case the apparent unseriousness of one’s interlocutor is no excuse for a-rational rhetoric of one’s own. And while I’m in no position to say whether either of the two left the room with any more thoughtful acolytes than they came in with, I think it’s crucial to see that if Dennett wished to do anything more than preach to the already (as it were) converted, then mockery was not the way to do it: even if he does think that Christians are like believers in Santa Claus or Superman, the fact remains that most thoughtful Christians don’t think about themselves in this way, and so insisting a conclusion was bound to bring many in the audience to conclude that he simply didn’t know what he was talking about. Put slightly differently, even if we grant the criticisms of those commenters who’ve claimed that the above misrepresents both the tone and the substance of Dennett’s remarks, it remains true that if you think philosophical discourse ought to aim at persuading those who have yet to be persuaded, it’s probably best to go about it in the way that minimizes the opportunity for this sort of reaction.
This part of the account, which really just marks a recurring theme, was also quite striking (from 2:55 pm):
Plantinga’s orthodoxy is completely unabashed. It is commendable that he is wholly without embarrassment, something rare for a modern Christian. Perhaps it signals an attitude to come.
And as anyone familiar with Plantinga or his ideas will be unsurprised to hear, it did exactly that.
But now compare these remarks, from the introduction to the account of the session:
I prefer to remain anonymous for various reasons, in particular because I am inclined towards Plantinga’s position over Dennett’s and were this to become well-known it could damage or destroy my career in analytic philosophy. This is something I prefer not to put my family through. I almost didn’t publish these comments at all, but as far as I could tell, this would be the only public record of the discussion.
Friends, if you can identify me, I request that you keep my identity secret. I am sharing my thoughts as a service to the philosophical community and all those who have an interest in such debates. But I prefer not to suffer at the hands of my ardently secular colleagues. This is not to say that all secular analytic philosophers are this way; they most certainly are not. But enough of them are that I cannot risk being known publicly.
Now, I’m certainly not demanding that every Christian scholar be as brash and self-assured as Alvin Plantinga, but really? Especially after the way that the groundbreaking and widely-respected work of Plantinga and the significant number of other Christian philosophers (even our anonymous author speaks of “academic philosophy’s desecularization”! – which may be too strong, but still …) has affected so many philosophers’ attitudes toward religion, it’s hard to imagine that overt religiosity could have anything that even begins to approach the negative professional consequences that are presumed here. In any case, I’m sure that the vast majority of professional philosophers would deny that this is so, as would most of the significant number of Christian philosophers who are employed at very prominent research departments (including my own); to insist otherwise is to postulate a remarkable degree of false consciousness, and I’m hard-pressed to think that a commitment to even the most massively unpopular beliefs could do any more damage to one’s career than the presence of these sorts of assumptions about one’s potential colleagues’ discriminatory closed-mindedness.
Moreover, and here I speak once again from personal experience, it’s hugely important to consider the effects that this sort of separation of life among “friends” from the more cagey relationship one has to one’s “ardently secular colleagues” can have on one’s religious convictions themselves. The pretense of irreligiosity, or if not quite that then even an explicitly purposive silence about one’s own religion (what are you doing on Sunday?), can very quickly become habitual, and just as faith breeds works and works themselves breed faith, so can lack of works lead faith itself to lack. There is surely something to the distinction between public and private that’s operative here, and it’s a distinction that’s appropriately put to work in quite a lot of cases, but these are nevertheless dimensions of one’s life that it is really quite difficult to keep so neatly apart from one another; something’s going to give, and when that’s so one hopes that it’s public image rather than “private” faith that has the greater flexibility.
Finally, even if one’s religious convictions were to emerge unscarred from such a period of hidenness, it’s rather hard for me to imagine how their eventual unveiling would go. We are, I am assuming, meant to assume that this sort of secretiveness is allowed eventually (after obtaining a job, perhaps, or maybe after tenure is granted, or that book is published, or …) to expire, but then what? All these relationships that one has formed, the professional image that one has cultivated, and so on – all of this has been based on the premise that one is not, or at least that it does not much matter if one is known to be, a Christian, and now that mask is removed. Why should we not think that the professional and personal consequences of such a decision would not be even worse than those that would attend to “outing” oneself as a believer right from the start? Yes, you’ve got a salary, and a title, and the academic bully pulpit that goes with the latter, but you’ve also got a reputation as someone who played a strange sort of game through the first part of his or her career, keeping hidden what has turned out to be an extensive and really quite fundamental set of convictions due entirely to a puzzling (to many) fear of professional reprisals. If this is the only kind of “career in academic philosophy” that a serious Christian gets to have, then it’s not at all clear why such a career should really be a thing to hope for.
All that and I haven’t even touched on that famous stuff about the blessings of insult and persecution. Obviously I don’t know the writer and so may be making more of this handful of remarks than they actually warrant, but given the number of people I’ve heard give expression to similar thoughts it seemed worth putting my concerns out there nevertheless.
My experience (and my friends’) has been quite along the lines you’re arguing here. There are places, of course, where being an open theist will get you culled from a candidates’ list. But this tends to be idiosyncratic to the character of the faculty members. I once had this sort of discussion with an unbelieving philosophy prof and he admitted that he had colleagues who would not vote for someone they knew was a religious believer. But that’s not true everywhere or even most places. Indeed, I’d say that philosophy is one of the more welcoming of the disciplines, certainly much more so than, say, English. As in most things, a decent amount of prudence is called for. I don’t think that most sorts of religious believers could deny their faith and maintain any sort of reasonable kind of integrity, but as Elizabeth Fox-Genovese once told me, you don’t have to answer any “unasked questions,” either.
— Bryan · Feb 26, 09:38 PM · #
Would this be grounds for a discrimination complaint? I have very little understanding of the law and absolutely no intention of ever going that route, but I’d be interested to know.
That’s true, though it seems to me that it would be hard to maintain one’s integrity and never broach the topic of religion except in response to a direct query …
— John Schwenkler · Feb 26, 09:52 PM · #
I’ll have more to say on this later, John, but for now I just want to register my anger at this blatant attempt to steal the attention of my trolls.
— Alan Jacobs · Feb 26, 10:43 PM · #
“the presence of these sorts of assumptions about one’s potential colleagues’ discriminatory closed-mindedness.”
You mean, the assumption that a lot of philosophers might be exactly what they represent themselves to be. in Leiter’s lengthy comment thread about the APA’s policy on whether certain Christian colleges can advertise open positions? That is to say, people who dismiss Christians as bigots. Even if you’re one of the many Christians who doesn’t agree with those Christian colleges, you might feel a bit of trepidation at revealing your Christian beliefs . . . many philosophers might classify you (even subconsciously) with the “bigots” unless you make a constant and elaborate display of distancing yourself from all of those other Christians.
— JD · Feb 26, 10:51 PM · #
This post reminds me of conversation I had rather recently. For now, my view is that are so many rich and rewarding conversations to be had about religion and faith, and so few interesting debates. I’m going to stick with the conversations, and leave the debates to those who find them nourishing.
Not sure where meta-debates fall..
— Tony Comstock · Feb 26, 10:57 PM · #
Well, strictly speaking, I suppose if a hiring committee nixed a candidate because he was a believer, yes, that would constitute discrimination. Of course, would you want to be the one to file that lawsuit. Most of us are pleased to get something more than that two-sentence rejection letter and so without an inside source, the reason for rejection would remain ever mysterious.
I suppose that the “no believers need apply” fellow might defend himself by arguing (a la Dennett) that he considers religious belief incompatible with any reasonable sense of rationality and so certainly wouldn’t vote to hire as a philosopher someone so obviously irrational. Indeed, come to think of it, this helps highlight why religion differs from those other sorts of protected categories (race, marital status, etc.). It involves belief or faith, adherence to a set of ideas (for the most part) and it’s not obviously evil to think that religious believers as a class are at best misguided (and at worst deeply deluded, as Dennett seems to think). Interesting question…
And you’re right about the “unasked questions.” What’s more, if you play the game of hiding your views too long, it can be quite habit-forming. I know – I’m still trying break myself of those bad habits learned in grad school (and I’m under no threat).
— Bryan · Feb 26, 11:26 PM · #
If it’ll improve your sullen disposition, Jacobs, and perhaps put you in a better mood to respond to honest questions, I’ll promise not to participate in this thread. I can be one troll you can have all to yourself!
..except to say that, indeed, someone who had suffered professional harm as a result of their religious beliefs would definitely be the victim of discrimination, which I would oppose. I may think religion is stupid, but it’s also something people have a right to under our laws. (And I know that, more often than not, the same laws that protect religion also protect me, as an atheist, from the religious.)
— Chet · Feb 27, 01:23 AM · #
how boring would it be if everybody was nice? Seriously.
there is a place for assholes like Dennett and Dawkins in the atheist movement. It makes the rest of them look more reasonable. You know, shifting the Overton window and all that.
— raft · Feb 27, 01:38 AM · #
Religion has become highly politicized and politics has become highly divisive. I would be surprised if this didn’t have down stream affects.
— Cascadian · Feb 27, 02:35 AM · #
JD: Those are fair points, though in fact I think it’s not impossible that, even if we restrict ourselves to non-religious institutions, the number of faculty who might think that Christians would be especially interesting to have around (either because of a concern for diversity, or whatever) could in fact outweigh the number who think they’re unhireable bigots. And in point of fact I actually was one of the very vocal (and very eponymous) participants in a much earlier (about two years ago, I guess) thread on Leiter’s blog about the discrimination issue, and my supervisor (no Christian, he) told me after the fact that he could find no reason to think it would harm my job prospects. Naive, perhaps, but surely a perspective worth something.
Bryan:
Yes, that’s a very important point, and one that I should have brought out more clearly in my original post.
And Alan: I LIVE to steal your trolls; without them, where would I find trolls of my own?
— John Schwenkler · Feb 27, 03:31 AM · #
P.S. By the way, JD, “outing” oneself as a Christian need not entail getting involved in every single religion-and-academia-related debate – especially not those that take place in the comments at Leiter Reports.
— John Schwenkler · Feb 27, 01:22 PM · #
Well, yeah, but the problem isn’t solved just by staying away from those debates. The problem is that as soon as some people (some powerful people, I should add) think that you’re a “Christian,” it’s possible that they will associate you with all the “bigoted” Christians — ironically, that they will be prejudiced against you. Impossible? No, just part of human nature. Look at how passionately some of these people hate the fact that there is any college or university that expresses a view associated with traditional Christianity. You really think these people wouldn’t raise an eyebrow when they find out that someone is a Christian?
Of course, if you spend all of your time issuing disclaimers — “I’m going to church this Sunday, although of course it’s a nice liberal church and I don’t agree with traditional Christians, those bigots” — then you’ll be fine. But if that seems like too much trouble, it might not be a bad idea to keep quiet.
— JD · Feb 27, 05:07 PM · #
The account of Dennett’s performance sounds like it resembled the poor showing he made against the very non-philosophical Dinesh D’Souza in a debate at Tufts, broadcast in more than a dozen parts at YouTube. Ritual public sneering isn’t substantive scholarship.
— Kevin J Jones · Feb 27, 05:35 PM · #
I trust that, on listening to this audio of the event, most non-Christian-theists and, especially, atheists will feel that, despite the anonymous transcriber’s good faith, the account has been somewhat distorted against Dennett by some kind of piety-bias:
http://drop.io/plantingadennet/asset/plantinga-mp3
— Rob · Feb 28, 05:34 PM · #
I want to reassure the anonymous source quoted, above, that siding with Plantinga over Dennett will not get him or her blacklisted in analytic philosophy.
— Lindsay Beyerstein · Feb 28, 06:27 PM · #
The closet metaphor is quite apt. Most of the arguments you made about why it’s best to be open about one’s religious beliefs in a professional context have been made by LGBT folks for years about why it’s best to be open about one’s sexual orientation in a professional context.
— anon · Feb 28, 07:23 PM · #
Platinga’s argument reminds me of something they always taught us in computer graphics class—every good program has an even number of sign errors.
— Consumatopia · Mar 1, 12:17 AM · #
I don’t know about philosophy. I’m starting as an assistant professor this fall, after a few years in the research side of the space program at a NASA center. During grad school at a top research school I was outspoken in my political and religious beliefs. After a faculty member (and friend, I thought) called me a fascist during a Halloween Party my last year, I re-examined this. I remain clear that I’m an orthodox Catholic, and in fact most people I work with closely in the lab I’m at now know I’m a conservative in general. This causes no problems, though it is certainly not the common position here. I suspect the problem is when religious issues hit cultural issues — there are a handful of people I’d tell that I’m strongly against gay marriage, but anyone who might make a hiring or tenure decision about me at a university is not in that set. If emotions (even relatively sedate ones, from non-gay academics) can run high enough to make that a reasonable action (and I think it is, here), I can imagine the philosopher in question wanting to keep quiet, if looking at certain departments. In philosophy, it’s obviously harder to keep quiet about more agitated issues than it is in the hard sciences, where I live.
That said, if the price of being a successful academic where I wanted was complete silence about Christianity, rather than “don’t get into debates over culture matters, or mutter something about the need for civility and keep your mouth shut, perhaps noting your genuine distaste for Bush/the Iraq War”, it seems to me that this is taking the argument of the Fathers to not pursue martyrdom a long way to far. Thomas More was cagey, but when push came to shove he wasn’t afraid to get his head chopped off; risking not getting hired at a small number of institutions is a lesser problem.
— Anonymous · Mar 2, 02:23 PM · #
So anonymous you reexamined your speaking out but not the beliefs. You also take offense when people think your are a bigot solely on the basis of your opinion that an entire class of people should not have the same rights as others.
Your position is a bigoted position. You should not feel comfortable. This is the exact same situation as overt racists not feeling comfortable talking about their beliefs anymore.
— SomeGuy · Mar 3, 05:03 PM · #
“Your position is a bigoted position. You should not feel comfortable. This is the exact same situation as overt racists not feeling comfortable talking about their beliefs anymore.”
SomeGuy: note that this kind of rhetoric is precisely why people like me, who have no particular issue with granting a large number of the legal benefits involved in gay marriage, view the political imposition with fear and hostility. You jerks don’t just want to win a legal fight — you want to make everyone with traditional Christian views on sexuality an outcast and pariah, and if possible invoke legal sanctions against them. There are proponents of gay marriage who are reasonable people I disagree with, and there are a (it seems) larger number who are vindictive thought police and would effectively ban my church if they could get away with it. Sadly, some of those latter folks are otherwise pleasant academics. If the shoe’s ever on the other foot, you’ll probably regret this — and societal toleration for homosexuality is probably higher now than it will be in the likely harsher world we’re all waking up to these days.
— Anonymous · Mar 3, 07:10 PM · #
“So anonymous you reexamined your speaking out but not the beliefs. You also take offense when people think your are a bigot solely on the basis of your opinion that an entire class of people should not have the same rights as others.”
1) The last time I checked, the class of people who had the “right” to marry most members of the opposite sex was very large, and the set of people who had the right to marry anyone they wanted was null. I’m unclear how gay marriage changes the justice of this situation. I certainly can’t see why polygamy/andry isn’t at least as required by this notion of justice, and likely more reasonable — it has a much longer and more studied history. I suppose bigots with a very Western-Euro-dominated notion of marriage and love, and perhaps a tendency to empty-headed “romance” might see some merit to gay marriage over these older ideas, but I’m not good at thinking that poorly.
2) I also hope I’m not a snob for noting that SomeGuy doesn’t know how to use “you/your” and the good old “,”.
— Anonymous · Mar 3, 07:14 PM · #